ROTATING VANNAMEI – MONODON culture


From: Freddrick Poh fredpoh@starhub.net.sg
To: shrimp@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 24 March 2003

QUESTION:

Right now, there is a belief that, when a country grow out pond used to grow monodon then switch to vannamei, and when they have disease problems with the vannamei, and the farmers want to switch back to monodon, it is impossible as the pond is contaminated or whatever the reason, the pond will no longer be able to accommodate back monodon for farming. At the end of the day, both species can no longer be cultured.

As a feedback from the Malaysian government, from June onwards, they are going to ban farming of vannamei totally in Malaysia.

Freddrick

e-mail:
fredpoh@starhub.net.sg

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cOMMENTS 1:

Presently, Malaysia is successful now with the vannamei, but it seems like always the initial success only. It has not happened yet in Malaysia.
Basically, it very hard for the SPF PL to stay pricing competitive over non SPF PL, and most farmers are not well informed or have no experience in vannamei, and when the virus starts to kick in, it seems too late to do anything to rectify the problems. Even, introducing SPF broodstock, it not easy for the broodstock to stay SPF, when your surrounding is full of pathogens. As hatcheries in South East Asia and even farmers mostly belong to small scale and not the multi national company style, they will not have huge funds to invest in the equipments, well designed hatchery, etc, etc.

Freddrick

e-mail:
fredpoh@starhub.net.sg

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Comments 2:

I understand the problems you are facing keeping SPF stocks clean in
that environment etc. unscrupulous hatcheries, and how vannamei will do well the first crop etc.... But that doesn't explain the phenomenon you mentioned of monodon doing poorly when farmers switch back from attempting to culture vannamei.  Are there actual cases where farmers have switched back to monodon after having failed in vannamei and done worse than before the change to vannamei?  Where, as you said, it seems that vannamei "ruined" the pond for monodon?  I find this very interesting if it's true.
I don't really think that rotating shrimp in ponds would be beneficial
in the way that rotating crops in soil is. Instead of switching from say,
corn to soy beans, or letting a field go fallow, changing shrimp species
would be more like switching from white corn to yellow corn. And, this is of course referring to all of the farmers who still use soil for pond bottoms.

Hank
e-mail:
Bauman.BAL@starband.net

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comments 3:

Without more technical information on exactly what you mean by "the pond is contaminated", it is difficult to render an opinion; but, I suspect that the move by the authorities in Malaysia to restrict the farming of vannamei in that country (if it is indeed true) is due to a combination of:

1.   Inaccurate technical information.
2.   Misinformed government authorities.
3.   Persons or entities with a self-serving interest in restricting access
by Malaysian farmers to alternative species for culture.

The idea that the presence of one species of shrimp in a pond could
"contaminate" the pond, rendering it uninhabitable for another similar
species sounds unreasonable, UNLESS the first species introduced was carrying a pathogen that could jeopardize the health of the shrimp cultured in the subsequent crop. For that reason, only certified, disease-free, SPF or "high health" vannamei should be stocked and farmed in Malaysian shrimp farms, thus minimizing the risk that any pathogens introduced with the vannamei could jeopardize future production cycles from those same ponds. Of course, if you mismanage a shrimp pond, no matter what species of shrimp it contains, for example overfeeding, exceeding the pond's carrying capacity, or not properly
conditioning the pond bottom after harvest, the pond's conditions might be hostile for any species of shrimp in the subsequent crop.

There is nothing unique about the behavior of vannamei in a pond that would cause the pond to become uninhabitable for subsequent reintroduction of monodon at a later date. In fact, vannamei's ability to grow and perform well on low-protein diets, and to attain high yields with relatively low FCR's signify that the lower nitrogen and organic matter inputs into the pond would actually result in better pond bottom conditions when compared to other shrimp species. The reality is that species rotation (like crop rotation) might be an interesting production strategy for some farmers.

Henry C. Clifford III
Technical Director
Shrimp Improvement Systems

e-mail: hcclifford@aol.com

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cOMMENTS 4:

Contaminated in the sense that, most probably, is introducing others virus for example, Taura. Basically, I understand the virus is going to affect any species you are going to culture. My posting is to find out more info on, as you mentioned, if there is any behavior of vannamei in a pond that would cause the pond to become uninhabitable for subsequent reintroduction of monodon at a later date. I think I got that clear. But right now the problem is how many hatcheries out there are using SPF or SPR vannamei; I could say very few. China has huge success for the initial SPF broodstock, but after that they fail with their "local" and SPF broodstocks, and face more problems than before when they switch back to monodon at a later date. They seem to have problems with Taura, IHHN. Actually, before vannamei is being introduced, monodon is more or less adapted to WSSV.
This fact has already happened in Thailand and China, if I’m not wrong.

Freddrick
e-mail: fredpoh@starhub.net.sg

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coments 5:

I know very little about Malaysia, but it's possible the government there may have one good reason to worry about introduction / massive culture of additional species. It is the case in Latin America at any rate that you can pretty much count on some farmer taking shortcuts on the seedstock issue and thus import diseases additional to the locally endemic ones. No amount of detailed regulations seems capable of preventing this in our context and possibly in theirs as well. Thus only an outright ban is left as an option.

Additionally - and I'm shaky on this one - is it not the case that both
species differ in their degree of susceptibility to specific viral
diseases, and therefore large-scale culture of, say, vannamei could greatly amplify  the water-system load of some preexisting virus (which monodon can tolerate at low loads) and thus cause the medium-term "contaminating" effect that Freddrik mentions?

As I say my epidemiology knowledge is limited indeed, but the previous paragraph is my interpretation of comments I've heard from more than one authority on shrimp disease. True enough, it disagrees with the favourable experiences with agricultural crop rotation you mention. But in the latter case I think the experience is with very different species, not with close cousins as vannamei & monodon are.

Your comments on pond-mismanagement are right on.

Julio

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julioe@speed.net.ec

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COMMENTS 6:

I did not imply you were suggesting that Malaysia (or Asia) should convert to vannamei.  Where "good" species of shrimp for aquaculture are endemic, I truly believe that preference should be given to culturing that/those local species rather than importing foreign species.

Though I'm sure you probably can cite numerous cases where SPF shrimp have been successfully cultured when surrounded by disease, I think you will probably find just as many or more references to situations where SPF animals have failed miserably in neighbourhoods hot with shrimp diseases. Our mutual experience with Super Shrimp in Mexico and recent history in Belize are the latest testament to this.

In order to avoid the introduction of new diseases, it certainly makes
sense to attempt to regulate and enforce the restriction that all imported
animals be SPF.  The story of the introduction of IHHN with monodon in South America (back in the '70's) is a perfect example of why.  However, once the animals are in country (or anywhere nearby), it will be extremely difficult to control their origin and movements, especially when smuggling of broodstock is such a rampant practice (as it is in many places in Asia).

My point is still the same.  SPF is a great idea if you can truly manage
and control your system to avoid contamination, a task that is often beyond the capabilities and/or means of the average, non-corporate, shrimp farmer.
If you can control your environment, then whenever possible, I'm in favor of emphasizing the development of SPF lines of aquaculture tested and proven local species/strains of shrimp.

Josh

e-mail:
joshwilkensfeld@mindspring.com

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Comments 7:

My comments about species rotation were merely addressing two issues:

1.   As Julio pointed out, some species of shrimp do differ in their degree of susceptibility to CERTAIN pathogens, and so you might be able to take advantage of that fact by alternating species on a crop rotational basis; or trying to coincide with seasonal differences in disease incidence. For example, if a particular disease is seasonal in your area, stock the shrimp species that is most resistant to it during the "peak" season.

2.   Some shrimp species differ in their behavior in the ponds, for example their foraging behavior, diurnal activity patterns, or other behaviors; and so the idea would be to rotate species in order to create better, more sustainable conditions in the pond. As an example; vannamei and stylirostris have very different feeding and foraging behaviors, and I had some clients who stocked both species in their ponds (in monoculture) and later would comment how the bottoms of the vannamei ponds seemed to be cleaner, presumably because of their greater tendency to actively forage in the pond sediments, and because stylirostris tend to be more wasteful in feeding (resulting in higher FCR's). But I confess that this idea is more speculative than empirical because I do not know if these differences in feeding behavior
would translate into meaningful differences in pond bottom quality, and of course, as Hank alluded to, this might only have a benefit in earthen ponds.

I would rather let an experienced epidemiologist weigh in on the suggestion that vannamei could "amplify the water system load of some preexisting virus" that does not effect monodon until it reaches a critical mass, but I am skeptical of this theory because it infers that no other suitable hosts or vectors for that virus coexist in the environs of the monodon, and that the introduction of a single crustacean species is the necessary trigger for the "amplification". There are more than 60 known (and probably 100's more) hosts/carriers/vectors for WSSV, and I dare say the WSS virus does not depend exclusively on any one of those many vectors to be present in the environment in order to establish its transmission pathway.

I really do not wish to get dragged into the thread about banning or not
imports into a particular country. That is a decision that local authorities have to make. Unfortunately, it is usually the case that the decision to restrict imports is taken long after nasty pathogens like WSSV or TSV are already in their countries, due to illegal or unauthorized importations from countries and suppliers who are already infected with the pathogen. The only point that I was trying to make is that there are suppliers who are disease-free, and can prove it. It is up to the appropriate authorities to decide if they want to make an effort to determine who is clean and who is not.

Henry

e-mail:
hcclifford@aol.com


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